Nortel Insider – by Desk Jockey

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Nortel Downfall

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Sometimes, you have to make light of a grave situation.


Written by Desk Jockey

January 31, 2009 at 6:08 pm

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  1. I dont know how you do it. How do you continue to be employed? I am sure if they ever figure out who you are… anyway, I am sure you dont care. If I ever found out one of my employees was blogging and hurting the company image and publishing internal company emails, statements and strategies… horrible. I hear they are looking for you.


    February 1, 2009 at 2:55 pm

  2. I had often referred to Six Sigma as the SS, for short. How prescient I was!


    February 1, 2009 at 11:16 pm

  3. Pretite, that has got to be one of the most ignorant and foolish comments I’ve ever read. A brief response:

    I have not published any “internal company emails, statements and strategies.” Instead, I have commented on what is available via the public media. If you were to spend time reading the news instead of keeping your head in the sand, afraid to face reality, you would have known this.

    Secondly, you accuse me of “hurting the company image”, yet the current management has done more in this area with their bringing of the company into bankruptcy and their treatment of employees. And yet you choose to conveniently ignore this in your criticism of those that would dare report the facts.

    Please try to understand the situation and read the news before making such false accusations.

    Desk Jockey

    February 2, 2009 at 1:16 am

  4. How easy it is to be clever when hiding behind anonimity. This is a completely inappropriate posting in astongishlingly bad taste. It certainly shows a complete lack of respect for your colleagues.

    Even taking into account your feelings about the Nortel Management I fail to see how this helps anyone – other than fuelling further division within the Company.

    This is a time for addressing issues and not for taking potshots at individuals from behind a wall.

    Simon Bentley

    February 2, 2009 at 10:55 am

  5. It’s interesting how vehemently you lash out against the first sign of insubordination by your readers.

    You can’t possibly believe your own comment here can you? Between this blog and your constant blathering on AAN, do you actually think you are helping Nortel’s efforts?

    Of course you don’t believe that. But no room for independent thought here, you need to keep all your readers behind the party line, right? Seems almost like the Big Brother attitude in 1984 that you like to quote so much…


    February 2, 2009 at 11:19 am

  6. See, this is one of the problems with Nortel. Nobody has much of a sense of humour. Sure, this post is black humour, but it’s still funny. People need to stop taking themselves so seriously. Nortel’s just your employer, it’s a business relationship and the way they treat you is going to impact the way you treat them. It’s not a religion and to tell the truth about what’s going on – behind what have been proven to be lies and obfuscations from upper management – isn’t going to send DJ or anyone else to hell.

    Everyone’s going to do their own thing in these dark times. Some will fight along with Nortel to the bitter end, some will wait to be laid off in the hope of 10c on the dollar of their severance eventually, and some will bail now if they can. I don’t think any course of action is to be criticized, but whatever you decide should be based on truth, not just what comes from the Z Man.

    As for hurting the company, if you seriously think any of the decisions being made by customers, management, partners or vulture capitalists are going to be impacted in any way by something like this blog, then you’ve had your head in the Nortel sand for far too long.


    February 2, 2009 at 5:12 pm

  7. I am sorry if anyone found it to be in bad taste. I was just trying to make light of a bad situation.

    To add context, the video is part of an “Internet Phenomenon/Trend”, see this article. It’s widely known to be a joke.

    I have not censored anyone and I reject assertions that I have done so.

    I stand by my original comment, which was a correction of the original commenter, who claimed that I had done things that I had not. If you wish to attack me for broadcasting the truth, so be it.

    Desk Jockey

    February 2, 2009 at 5:49 pm

  8. Doggerel and Desk Jockey, my initial comments were not intended as an attack to this particular post (I thought this one was quite funny and well thought out) ; my initial sentiments were fuelled from months of reading your blog (and posts on AAN) and trying to get a better understanding of how someone that should have passion and belief for the company that provides them a paycheck can get away with this type of pessimism… I am sure I am not the only one with this feeling. You have yours.


    February 2, 2009 at 6:57 pm

  9. Pretite, thank you for that explanation.

    Please note that I do still have loyalty for Nortel as a company. In fact, it is for this precise reason that I am so outraged at how it has been mismanaged.

    I do believe that Nortel employs some of the best people (from my own experience with coworkers) and that we do produce world class products.

    But I continue to be upset at how those who have been so loyal to this company, who have built it through their tireless years of service, can be treated so poorly by a management that not only has made bad decisions, but refuses to take accountability or responsibility.

    Like you, I am upset about the true hatred that many in the public hold against NT, for emotional and irrational reasons. In fact, I wrote a blog post about this early on. Please read it if you have the time.

    Thank you.

    Desk Jockey

    February 2, 2009 at 7:09 pm

  10. DJ: Loved the video. There could not be a better representation by having JH as Hitler.

    As for the DJ bashers, this is all public information, easily and readily available to anyone with a internet connection. And unplug your head from the sand (or from your bosses butts) and stop getting “I Believe” type excuses to justify what Captain Z has done to the company. Get a grip.

    DJ: Keep going. Thanks for the space for opinions and information sharing.


    February 3, 2009 at 5:37 am

  11. Best youtube since Palin on SNL. If politicians can take it, so can JH. Thanks for a good laugh, DJ.

    Asset Number XXX

    February 3, 2009 at 4:23 pm

  12. I also accept the points made about everyone’s right to react and do whatever they feel is right. My issue is mroe that it is done anonomously because that instantly devalues any valid points that are made. I also do not agree that ‘all humor’ is valid. People and their families are deeply and rightly frightened about their future prospects. This includes the Black Belts who are the butt of the humor in this video. To compare their profession and contribution to a Nazi situation is by anyone’s standard way beyond humor of any kind. The fact that something is already ‘in the public domain’ does not mean that it is appropriate for use in the context of my Nortel colleagues future.

    Simon Bentley

    February 4, 2009 at 10:05 am

  13. “People and their families are deeply and rightly frightened about their future prospects”… awww, so your “people” who cleary saw the boat sinking over the past 5 years, neglecting to take action, continuing to enjoy the NT Spa, and claiming a paycheck for standing in line at Tim’s are now lashing out at poeple like DJ and pointing fingers… Bottom line: NT management should take accountability for NT’s failure and future… You should take accountability for yours.

    X NT DJ

    February 4, 2009 at 2:35 pm

  14. To Simon Bentley:
    I’m hiding behind the wall of anonymity because:
    1) I work for you
    2) Retaliation is subtle
    3) I promised my wife, after watching her break down in tears when I told her that after 20 years with Nortel I don’t even rate severance, that I would try not to loose the house. I will be an “unsecured creditor.”

    Get a grip. We’re scared. This is funny. This is how I feel. You (collective you) haven’t done anything to deserve our confidence. I Believe Nortel will survive, in spite of it’s current management team. Because I Believe in my fellow colleagues. We’re smart. We’re brave. We’re dedicated, and we come when needed and stretch for each other. We’ve been underdogs my entire career. And we’re MATURE enough to take this on. We survived Dr. Stern. We survived Frank Dunn. We can survive this. Just let us loose and stay out of our way. But we may never get the chance.

    Fake name inserted here.

    Fake Name inserted here

    February 4, 2009 at 5:48 pm

  15. Fake Name, thank you for the support. Mr. Bentley (if that is your real name!) seems to be out on a crusade to get everyone to reveal their true identities over this medium of the Internet!

    In his misguided crusade, Mr. Bentley has completely side stepped the IMPORTANT issues that were so eloquently described by Fake Name (inserted here)

    Desk Jockey

    February 4, 2009 at 5:50 pm

  16. To Simon Bentley:

    I couldn’t help but notice that you’re blogging during work hours.

    Is George aware of that?

    Is that the best use of your time right now?

    Or have the names already been delivered up to the HR layoff processes, and it’s basically wait until that little situation is wrapped up to talk to the survivors about “next steps forward”?

    Did anyone do a black belt project on those, to identify issues / areas where the layoff process could be streamlined?

    I’ll bet not having to calculate severance is shaving days off the time it takes to prepare a layoff packet. Sounds like a savings to me.

    Fake Name inserted here

    February 5, 2009 at 6:05 pm

  17. Here’s an open challenge–> Who can make the best “Downfall of Nortel” video?”

    Use this as the model:

    Real Estate Downfall…
    The housing bubble bursts on a speculator
    Hitler is foreclosed


    February 7, 2009 at 10:55 am

  18. Mr. Bentley – how apt your name is. Usually reserverd for the faithful kiss ass butler of the priveleged.

    Now, I think your boss needs a cup of coffee and a good old ass kissing. Hurry!


    February 7, 2009 at 10:51 pm

  19. 18 months ago – it seems like a lifetime ago.

    I reread all of this post and I still find it most sad that people can distrust so deeply. Not for any moment did anyone try and chase down this blog.

    The point I made was genuine and made with complete honesty. I found the use of Nazi material to be in extraordinary bad taste and the fact that people feel safe hurling personal insults behind anonymity is equally sad.

    A lot of water has passed under the bridge since February 2009. Nortel could never exit Bankruptcy protection – the issues were far too deep and as we are now seeing, the future would have been impossible to sustain without the major surgery that has occurred under protection.

    There was no conspiracy. There was the reality of a company that imploded and became unable to sustain the future.

    I feel for every single person who got hurt by Nortel’s demise and I hope that the future can bring safety to all.

    Simon Bentley

    October 9, 2010 at 12:12 pm

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